tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-71055476574780236022012-01-15T16:06:54.927-08:00Painting in public places where the potential for extreme life experiences exists.Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.comBlogger461100tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-20286865704600584212009-03-18T08:48:00.000-07:002009-03-18T08:52:15.073-07:00

Keni Arts has moved to http://keni.com

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-75462275576794307152008-08-30T03:00:00.000-07:002008-08-30T03:00:00.787-07:00

This is the sight of the Olympic Games in 1932 and 1984. Built in 1923 for under one million dollars, it is now the primary home of the USC Trojan football team.

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I met a city worker here in the shadow of Pasadena City Hall. She was very friendly and had a good sense of humor.I've painted city hall numerous times.This 9"x12" original watercolor painting is for sale for $350 unframed. Contact me if you are interested in purchasing it.

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This is Old Town Pasadena. Pasadena was one of the first cities in Southern California that recognized a potential gold mine in its deteriorating and abandoned architecture. About thirty five years ago, it began to revitalize this area of town. Now, it's one of the more popular weekend hangouts for the younger crowd.Many other communities have since turned their eyesores into eye candy.Two

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I thought I'd find a nice, quiet place to paint, so I stopped at this park in the city of Highland Park.Things were quiet until a broken down lady with a scraggly little dog in tow came over and with little more than an introduction, offered to have sex with me behind the building.I wasn't about to go along with it. I figure if any man would be dumb enough to follow her to her secret place, he'd

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I completed this painting in record-breaking time. This is a familiar sight to anyone who frequently travels Sunset Blvd. in Hollywood. It's the Cross Roads travel agency and a group of other small business.The reason this painting happened so fast (in about 30 minutes) is that the wind was blowing extremely hard and it was very cold.It was so cold that no one even slowed down to talk or to just

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It was the day before the Los Angeles marathon. The streets were bustling in the garment district. Fruit cart vendors pushed their cargo around selling colorful eats.Things happened so fast that I hardly could take it all in. A vendor and his family near me were suddenly surrounded by a group of men and women as several other men in drug their cart away. I looked around and saw the same thing

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These are the old animation buildings at Disney Studios. I painted this in ink and watercolor from one of the park benches during my lunch time.About a week later, I returned to the same spot with my iPhone loaded with painting software and did the same scene. Since I had to draw and paint with my finger, I was only able to complete the sketch while on the lot. I finished the painting at home.

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-28241257645341951442008-08-22T03:00:00.000-07:002008-08-22T03:00:01.032-07:00

I did this painting, again during my lunch time, with the sound of a 'Back Street Boys' (remember them?) playing in the background. They were in an alley behind me shooting a music video. I was working on a film in a nearby building in the east end of downtown Los Angeles.This painting is part of my 'Hollywood Backlots' series, which began in 1977. I'm looking for a home for the paintings where

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-65716758465585612392008-08-21T03:00:00.000-07:002008-08-21T03:00:00.290-07:00

This is Ports-O-Call, where a row of shops bordering a shipping lane sell everything from crafts to clothing to helicopter rides. It has fallen in disrepair in recent years, but used to be a very popular tourists trap in San Pedro, CA.My friend and I have painted here several times.This 9"x12" original watercolor painting is for sale for $350 unframed. Contact me if you are interested in

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I like to read the carved-in-stone inscriptions found at many historic libraries. I did this quick sketch at the Los Angeles Central Library. The library was badly burned some years ago and was closed for repairs. Inside, you can take an escalator up about three or four stories. The view at the top overlooks a cavernous foyer below with gigantic modern architecture suspended over it.The

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-17149215969410245852008-08-19T03:00:00.000-07:002008-08-19T03:00:00.720-07:00

This is a busy corner on the corner of Vermont Avenue and Manchester in South Central Los Angeles.Pitching your easel near a bus stop is a good place to meet people. You usually have only a few minutes to spend with them, but those minutes could be a life changing experience.I make sure I'm not blocking traffic, so I set up on the side of the bench where the bus approaches and a safe distance

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This group of teenagers in a Brazilian quilombo (place of refuge) saw me painting and asked if I would paint their portraits; individually. I knew I wouldn't have time to do that, so I told them I would paint them as a group. As I was getting started, I learned that one of the girl's mother didn't want her hanging around the foreigner. However, the teens wouldn't let me go without painting

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I love to be in the company of books, so I visit libraries and bookstores often. One of my favorite libraries is the Altadena Library, which happens to be close to my home.I did this painting on my iPhone while in the library. I’m starting to get used to drawing with my finger. I takes me way back to my childhood when I reveled in finger painting. Nevertheless, I've ordered a stylus to see if it

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This is another sight on the land where my wife grew up in Hermatige, Arkansas.I'm not sure why I named the painting, 'A Tree to Die For'. Maybe it was because my father-in-law and I used to go into the woods and chop trees before he passed away.

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I enjoy painting in public places where I meet some very interesting people. But if I'm not painting, I like to be alone with my immediate family in a quiet place.This is Hermatige, Arkansas where my wife, Peggie grew up. The house in the background was to be hers, but I stole her away from the woods when we got married (soon will be 30 years) and moved her to Los Angeles.This home is similar to

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-78011255935596084452008-08-13T03:00:00.000-07:002008-08-13T03:00:09.768-07:00

Every now and again in your street painting, you will meet someone who will so entertain or inform you that you will be richer from meeting them.I was painting on Hollywood Blvd. one day when a man stopped to watch me paint. He told me how much he liked my artwork, then asked if I would give him some money. He had such distinct physical characteristics; a long, soft face with tiny teeth set

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Some of the most interesting you will ever meet are street people. Those would include hustlers, homeless and the down and out. Some people I term homeless are technically not homeless. They sometimes live in a homeless shelter, halfway houses or with friends. They often move around during their waking hours and return to their temporary residence in the evening. I often look for ways to help

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Something you’ll have to contend with if you are going to paint on the streets in a metropolitan area are the homeless and beggars. Most of the ones I have given money to were very polite. Some whom I talked to at length were very intelligent. Most of them were spiritual.If you choose to help them, you must use wisdom so that you avoid embarrassment to them, or even worse, harm to yourself. When

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-14927674939207775662008-08-09T03:00:00.000-07:002008-12-08T17:14:24.393-08:00

I returned to the Rose Garden, but this time to work alone (see yesterday's post).I had a good time talking to a group of children there on a field trip. Most of them said they liked to paint, and a few offered, even insisted to help "Sorry kids, today I work alone."I usually don't paint in oils if I am on a busy sidewalk, but this serene setting was a perfect place to work in oils.Which medium

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-88112527440193844862008-08-08T03:00:00.000-07:002008-12-08T17:14:24.620-08:00

This painting was done as a demo at one of my workshops in the Rose Garden at the Natural History Museum in Los Angeles.I discontinued the workshop several years ago, but have had requests to get it going again. I decided to record it and put it on line. This way, people will be able to take part from any location in the world. It will begin September 1, 2008. You can hear the audio podcast

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I like to paint where there are people. The Rose Bowl swap meet is one of the largest gatherings of hawkers and bargan hunters in Southern California.This setting presents a good opportunity to sharpen ones skills at painting in the midst of chaos.Have you painted in similar situations?This 9"x12" original watercolor painting is for sale for $350 unframed. Contact me if you are interested in it.

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-54458589013546434952008-08-06T03:00:00.000-07:002008-12-08T17:14:24.804-08:00

This rustic setting is the home of summer jazz concerts sponsored by the Altadena Sheriff's department.I painted it from the amphitheater stage late one quiet afternoon. What time of day do you usually paint?This 9"x12" original watercolor painting is for sale for $350 unframed. Contact me if you are interested in it.

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-66637765508111942702008-08-05T03:00:00.000-07:002008-12-08T17:14:24.976-08:00

I've said it before and I'll probably say it a thousand or more times; your job may have some of the richest environments for painting material. Sometimes it may be the people you work with, or the building you work in or on.This is a back lot set at Paramount Studios. I don't remember what show I was working on when I did this lunchtime painting, but I was so taken by the rusty building that I

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-6236422780038605812008-08-04T03:00:00.001-07:002008-12-08T17:14:25.154-08:00

When I purchased my iPhone, one of the first things I looked for was an app with which I could create artwork. I found a nice little program called 'NetSketch', written by a young college student by the name of Ben Gotow.This painting is part of my 'Hollywood Backlots' series. The series began in 1977 when I started doing pencil sketches of interesting things I saw as I moved around the stages,

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-25664658288612076592008-08-02T03:00:00.000-07:002008-12-08T17:14:25.277-08:00

I might have to stretch to call this a plein air painting. I was in the modern Brazilian city of Juiz de Fora. This was the view outside my hotel room window, which I painted under the watchful eye of my roommate.Only recently did I start taking a camera with me when I travel. I had previously used only my paintings to record my steps. Finally, I realized that there was so much more I wanted to

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-84869036454449994742008-08-01T03:00:00.001-07:002008-12-08T17:14:25.412-08:00

This is one of the best bar-b-que joints in Los Angeles. I found this place when I was working on the film, 'Catch Me If You Can'. It was being filmed nearby at the Twin Towers Jail. The jail was fairly new at the time and did not yet have any prisoners in it.A father and his young son watched me as I did this painting. The dad asked if I taught art classes. At the time, I was still doing my

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I usually paint architecture, but occasionally I will paint people.I did this painting of Anthony, a laborer and himself an artist. We were working together on a film. I don't remember the title, but I do remember that we were working at Gower studios on Sunset Blvd. in Hollywood.Anthony posed for me during our lunch time. It took fifteen or twenty minutes to complete this painting. This is one

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-82015454567068743992008-07-30T03:00:00.001-07:002008-12-08T17:14:25.648-08:00

This is one of the original animation buildings at Disney studios in Burbank, CA.This seemingly serene scene was interupted by a magnitude 5.8 earthquake Tuesday (7-29-08). Dozens of employees came pouring out of the building and into this area. When I passed by, they were milling about trying to place cell phone calls.Even my fancy new iPhone couldn't connect a call for at least 20 minutes after

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I said on my blog post on Saturday (July 26) that I did the painting of the Hunting Library while working on the Oceans 12 movie. Well, looking back on the paintings that came from that time frame, I realized that I was there at the Huntington Library working on The Good German movie.This cafe painting was also created during that film production. It's a quiet setting away from the main residence

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-33204401379003889532008-07-28T03:00:00.000-07:002008-12-08T17:14:25.864-08:00

I saw this man at the motion picture hospital and retirement home. He may have been a famous actor in his day.Old people make some of the best models for quick, candid sketches. They are not as fidgety as younger people and their faces are full of character.I didn't begin this painting with a pen & ink drawing as I normally do. I went directly to watercolor.

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-25585457835501526452008-07-26T19:59:00.000-07:002008-12-08T17:14:26.040-08:00

This is the Huntington Library in Pasadena CA. I was here with a crew to prepare for the filming of the movie, Oceans 12.Four or five of my coworkers looked over my shoulder as I did this painting during my lunch time, which lasted 45 minutes.Judging by their remarks, I believe they got a thrill out of watching me. Their joy was my reward.So, if you really want to get the most out of plein air

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I usually have a steady stream of visitors stopping by to chat  as I paint. That's to be expected since I choose to paint in populated areas. This structure is part of the Rose Bowl in Pasadena. There were no events taking place here this day so I was able to focus more on the painting than the people. I did have two visitors though. They were joggers making the run around the park so they only

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-36682696017398604012008-07-24T03:00:00.000-07:002008-12-08T17:14:26.343-08:00

When New Orleans residents were displaced by Hurricane Katrina, many were sent to various shelters around the United States. One of those locations was The Dream Center in Los Angeles. I went there to paint and hopefully connect with some of the displaced people and offer some support. I arrived to a somewhat circus atmosphere. The Center was crawling with news media, sight seers, motorcycle

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-14629094369610962452008-07-23T03:00:00.000-07:002008-12-08T17:14:26.698-08:00

This David and Goliath scene is a block away from the Pasadena Central Library, one of my favorite hangouts. The colorful building is a barbecue shack set against the backdrop of a chain hotel. The BBQ joint was there long before the hotel, and I suspect it will be there when the hotel is converted into a shopping center before it is converted into condominiums. I stood in the shade of a large

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-46477423805439600412008-07-22T03:00:00.000-07:002008-12-08T17:14:26.872-08:00

The mom of one of my daughter's friends saw me painting, so she stopped to watch. There was very little small talk before she dropped a bomb; her husband died suddenly of a heart attack the previous month.I tried to find words to comfort her until I realized that she just wanted to talk about it. So, I stopped painting and I listened.When she went her way, I piddled with the painting for a while,

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If you have never painted en plein air, you may be wondering, “Where do I begin?” How about your own back yard? You may have a garden, a patio area or a child’s playground. If you live in an apartment building, I can imagine there is something right outside your door that would make an interesting painting; a shed, a bicycle rack, or a rusty fire hydrant near a bus stop.Your scene doesn't have

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-26174476375530536642008-07-18T03:00:00.000-07:002008-12-08T17:14:27.080-08:00

Grumbacher is one of America’s largest manufacturers of paint brushes. In the early 1990’s, the New Jersey based corporation had to recall more than 330,000 paint brushes. The brushes, which were imported from Korea and Sri Lanka,  had excessive levels of lead in the handles. This news comes from the U.S. Consumer product Safety Commission. Artists often use materials that pose a potential

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Kits can be as personal as the supplies that go in them. In my humble opinion, they can, in themselves, be works of art. There are few things that can compare with the look and feel of a paint kit in which every compartment fills a purpose; every tool has its place and every where you go, you know that you have the tools to effortlessly complete a painting on the spot. Therefore, your kit should

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If an airplane landed in the middle of the freeway, people would likely stop to see it, right? Well, don’t you think it a bit out of the ordinary to see an artist on a street corner painting (unless you’re painting in Venice). Then why, my plein air artist friend, would you be dismayed that people stop to watch you paint and ask, “What’s going on here”?Too many artists offer these suggestions on

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I typically paint in bright colors. However, this was a gray overcast day in Detroit, MI. I road my bicycle to Bell Isle, a park on the Detroit River. Those brownish buildings in the upper right edge of this picture are the Omni Hotel, where I was staying while working on the movie, 8 Mile. I usually work in watercolors when painting in the city. However, because there was a lot of moisture in

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Could it be that the reason artists don't venture outside to paint is that they fear encounters with people?No doubt, you will occasionally bump into people who do not appreciate your efforts to be creative in public, but the majority will be happy to see you in action. If you ever have a need for a little recognition, paint outdoors. There's usually a Kermie in the crowd who will tip his hat to

Kenihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01998555743274654262noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7105547657478023602.post-84916754012391135782008-07-12T07:00:00.000-07:002008-12-08T17:14:27.776-08:00

I did this quick little watercolor and ink sketch in a Borders Bookstore. When I looked at it this evening, I remembered it as though it just happened only a few hours ago. Then I looked at the date of the artwork. I did the painting in October of 2006. That was almost two years ago! Yet, the memory is as fresh as the coffee was that the man in the light blue shirt put on the table.Painting from

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Even in the city, there is often an oasis that quietly demands to be painted. I have painted here several times. I used to pass Echo Park every day when I lived on the hill above it. I never thought to paint it until I moved out of the area. Funny how that works.On another occasion, I was able to catch the fountain erupting in the middle of the lake. In still another painting, I focused on the

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Yesterday, I talked about painting while waiting in line at an airport. I asked if anyone had completed a painting while walking. I have not tried that one yet, but I did find something close to it.Several years ago while visiting Brazil, I took a bus tour into the beautiful countryside. Prior to leaving the paved road, I had worked on a small watercolor painting. We eventually ran out of

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If you are indoors standing below a skylight letting in the outdoors, does the painting you do qualify as a plein air work?I was in LAX (Los Angeles International Airport) waiting to catch a flight. I was standing in a long line, so I did this small 6" x 9" painting.If you have the proper kit, you can do a painting while standing, sitting, squatting or lying down. I haven't yet tried to do one

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